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What happens when technical prowess meets complete unpredictability in the octagon? This question lies at the heart of our discussion as we explore UFC's most fascinating fighters and their unconventional approaches to combat.
The episode kicks off with a deep dive into Reinier De Ridder's impressive victory over Robert Whittaker, where his devastating knee strikes and unpredictable fighting style proved too much for the former champion. We examine how fighters like RDR and DDP have found success through what fans have lovingly dubbed "toon force" – that special ability to win through sheer randomness and adaptability rather than rigid technique. As one host explains, "They have a much more flexible approach which allows them to get these off-the-wall wins because they're not set in their ways."
Looking ahead to UFC 319, we break down the highly anticipated matchup between Dricus Du Plessis and Khamzat Chimaev, exploring how DDP's chaotic fighting style might fare against Chimaev's relentless wrestling. We share some of the internet's most hilarious "DDP Wins By" memes, capturing the absurdity and entertainment value that makes these fighters so compelling to watch. From "DDP by shenanigans and tomfoolery" to "DDP by whatever works," these creative scenarios perfectly encapsulate why unpredictability has become such a valuable asset in modern MMA.
The conversation expands to cover other exciting matchups on the UFC 319 card, including Aaron Pico's UFC debut against Lerone Murphy, plus reflections on recent fights like Tatsuro Taira's submission victory and the barn-burner between Elvis Brenner and Esteban Ribovics that had fans on the edge of their seats.
We wrap up with a segment featuring thought-provoking Reddit stories about life lessons, family dynamics, and relationship red flags – from the power of presence in our daily interactions to recognizing when something is seriously wrong. Join us for an episode that combines fight analysis with genuine life insights you won't want to miss.
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Intro Music. Welcome to another episode of Peak Points. Today we're going to be talking about UFC 319, DDP vs Hamzat.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, that's going to be interesting. Let's see what happens. It's going to be talking about UFC 319, ddp vs Hamzat. Oh boy, that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 1:Let's see what happens. It's going to be random, I'm sure. We're going to be talking about some fights that just recently happened and we're going to have a special Reddit section. Random, just like DDP and RDR's fight style, harley. Let's get into the octagon Absolutely, and we'll start off by talking about this previous fight that happened recently. What a freaking banger I saw it the other day was that RDR versus the Reaper Whitaker?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And, man, honestly not the way that I really thought it was going to go. But then again I didn't really have any idea with RDR. He's kind of like Drickus, in the sense that it's just super random and you never know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he doesn't rely on one specific strategy to use these specific sets of moves over and over in any situation. It's he just reads the fight as it goes and thinks oh well, this area is open, I'm gonna hit it yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:And uh, one thing that I have liked about his his fights in general so far in the UFC. I mean he's been dominant in his UFC run. Just those knees down the middle, they're really nice, really crisp. I mean he's been hitting some nasty knees.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really nice to see knees being incorporated into the MMA world on a semi-regular basis at least through him, just like it's nice to see when people use elbows through him, just like it's nice to see when people use elbows. I mean it's it, is they are really effective tools, and they're just simply not used very often no I mean, I understand it. It can be difficult to formulate a plan, if you will, to use them in like a strategic way right like beforehand, but they're excellent.
Speaker 2:Excellent tools to bring out of out of thin air, if you will, at random moments throughout a fight, which de ritter is really good about.
Speaker 1:Yes, very random at least with the knees uh, I mean he won his previous fight with the knees getting a tko against bone nickel. Oh, manting that hype train down.
Speaker 2:He shut Nickel down.
Speaker 1:Down with those knees, I mean.
Speaker 2:I understand it.
Speaker 1:Devastating.
Speaker 2:People get winded and devastated by sidekicks through elbows.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And with regular punches, but a knee, especially from someone who's so tall. Yeah, and just that I mean he has so much leverage at six. Is it six, two or six?
Speaker 1:six, four, six, four.
Speaker 2:He's alexized that's an immense amount of leverage yeah even just the speed to get the knee up there means it's traveling really fast at point of impact.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And it's just a devastating amount. It just makes your whole body like Shut down. I mean not necessarily fully shut down, but it definitely starts drawing in to protect itself and there's just not really anything you can do. It's a nervous system reaction.
Speaker 1:I mean, what a nasty run. I mean just the knees in general have been a very refreshing and I, like I was stating I didn't know how this fight was gonna go, uh, and I didn't think those knees were gonna be as effective as they were on whitaker right I mean dude bobby knuckles was trying, but he ate a couple nasty knees right at the beginning and that really was the catalyst. I would say yeah.
Speaker 2:For kind of him slowing down. I was unfortunately working for this fight and so I didn't get to see it. I just had to look up highlight reels and such and from what I could see he looked pale and just not fully in it for most of the fight. I mean he still put up a good fight, especially given the condition he was in. But yeah, those early knees they really set the tone for the fight.
Speaker 1:Those early knees? Yeah, absolutely Something I didn't really expect. I knew that RDR was trying to get as close as possible, though, because obviously he's a submission specialist.
Speaker 1:I mean he's trying to choke you out. That's his main MO, but in this case he got some nasty knees in, got really pushing back Robert Whitaker who someone really doesn't get pushed back like that and I would say controlling the pace a lot of the fight and I would say I watched the whole fight and I remember listening to bobby knuckles uh, robert whitaker's corner telling him we need more movement. We need more movement every round.
Speaker 2:We need more movement but when every movement hurts it's really hard to do. It's just those knees were devastating.
Speaker 1:Uh, however, the robert whittaker did land a nasty knockdown on de ritter, nasty knockdown an absolute crisp.
Speaker 2:That was a serious knockdown, that serious a lot of scenarios. You would see it called right there and there by the ref.
Speaker 1:I mean, I watched the punch several times, mainly in awe, not of the strike, of how RDR ate that and didn't just die on the spot. Watch that knockout guys.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I'm pretty sure it was the impact on his back that really brought him back who knows?
Speaker 1:because a mere mortal would have been bodied by that one dude but this kind of is a tribute to ardor's chin, which I mean, I've heard so much about, I've seen several of his fights even before he got to the UFC and he has a great chin, but god damn, that was a nasty knockdown. Got back up and still continued trying out those knees, even though the knee was the reason why he got knocked down. So I mean, it just goes to show you that I mean, if you're random, you might have a chance If you got that tune force.
Speaker 1:I mean him and DDP. You might have a chance If you got that toon force. I mean him and DDP got that toon force man.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I see it for both of them in a, not a comical site. I see it as more of. They have a much more flexible approach which allows them to get these off-the-wall wins, because they're not set in their ways.
Speaker 1:You know they're not like.
Speaker 2:I need to use one of these six moves. All right, I need to use one of these six to eight ways of striking. They're like here's an opening, I'm going to take it. Mm gonna take it this is a really awkward position, but you know, what I'm going after him regardless. They didn't. They don't like especially ddp. On the ground I've I've seen him do really off the wall stuff from awkward positions because, he isn't confined in his head, that he needs to do a set move which gives him an immense amount of flexibility.
Speaker 2:And it's it's not just goofiness, it's, it's honestly really good iq to realize, yeah, it doesn't matter if I have the perfect setup for this right, I can still get a submission.
Speaker 1:Great point. Yeah, and I mean great point. The comparisons have been, I mean, overflowing right now between RDR and DDP.
Speaker 2:I mean if and when they fight. It will be very interesting very interesting to watch.
Speaker 1:Just the memes alone are crazy to me. Um, I like what you said about not being confined to being so technically sound and just going for it, and I think these guys are not, uh, confined to the laws of real life. So I know we got later in the show we're going to talk about UFC 319, talk about DDP's fight. Let's see how that goes. I have no clue on that one, honestly.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But I do want to see a fight between RDR and DDP in the very immediate future if possible. We'll see, because I'm hearing a little bit of Paula Costa in the mix talking some Smack Online about RDR and RDR, kind of just dismissing him. Why, I guess.
Speaker 2:Not. Why is he being dismissed? I'm asking why is Costa, or what does Costa say?
Speaker 1:I mean he's saying that he looks G-A-Y. Who cares Good? God and RDR is this middle school and RDR is like well, you could call me that, but it doesn't matter to me, I'm the one that's on this run right now.
Speaker 2:Right and, honestly, if those two fought, I do not see Costa being anything more than a minor speed bump.
Speaker 1:Who knows? I mean, that's a fight that I probably would like to see.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, it would be interesting. Don't get me wrong absolutely because I think derrida might have a little bit of trouble with that. That level of kicking costas kicks are pretty good, um they're pretty nasty but legitimately I don't see costa winning that fight um, I kind of.
Speaker 1:I kind of don't either. I kind of see that if RDR does come up with a knee, I mean all he has to do is get close enough to go for a choke.
Speaker 2:Well, also, I mean, he's no slouch in the striking department either, right. And his reach on Costa is, I mean he's got to have? I don't know the exact statistics, but I'm sure he's got at least a four-inch reach on Kasa is, I mean he's got to have? I don't know the exact statistics, but I'm sure he's got at least a four-inch reach on him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he definitely has a reach on him. Just a fight that I would like to see is definitely RDR versus DDP. We'll see in the upcoming future. What happens? I do want to also bring up a fight that just recently passed. It's the time of this recording.
Speaker 2:It just recently passed, last week up a fight that just recently passed at the time of this recording just recently passed last week.
Speaker 1:Tayara versus park. Tayara versus park. Recently just passed. Uh, a lot of great fights happened in this card. I watched it from start to finish. Uh, tayara man, what a, what a monster. I'll start off with some of the fights that I watched in the prelims also that uh were very intriguing to me. Uh, we'll talk about that main fight in the prelims. The last one was Nakamura versus Nathan Fletcher. Nakamura getting that nasty knockout in round one. Amazing, I mean.
Speaker 2:Only a minute and two seconds in Only a minute and two seconds.
Speaker 1:And then we started on that main card Kevin Vallejos versus Danny Silva. Vallejos gets that win by decision. Neil Magny gets that win against Dos Santos. A lot of people saying the Unk still got it. I mean I'm just surprised Neil Magny got that knockout on him, that TKO on him. Unk still got it. I also agree with the Internet Carol Rosa versus Nora Kornel. Carol pulls that win out by decision. Let's see where she goes. And then Fight of the Night. Oh man, this one was a barn burner, as they say. Elvis Brenner versus Rebovix, esteban Rebovix. It went to decision. But god damn these guys, they really put it all out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Getting fight of the night, as well as a lot of people calling for this one to become fight of the year. Contender.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:It was just a major striking match, with both of them throwing as hard as they can, eating shots and, honestly, just going with it.
Speaker 2:Holy moly, that's crazy. Total strikes 123 on both sides.
Speaker 1:Insane dude.
Speaker 2:That's crazy synchronicity.
Speaker 1:And they were just striking the whole time. The pace was.
Speaker 2:Significant strikes. Only what is it? Four off 118 that's insane dude for elvis and 122 for esteban.
Speaker 1:That's crazy that is crazy. I mean, it was just a nasty, striking match and these guys really put it out there. Uh, rebovix is making a name for himself, honestly, not so much because of all the wins and stuff like that but just because of how he puts it all out there whenever he does get in the cage, and that's becoming very impressive to me.
Speaker 1:Esteban Rebovix putting a great performance in this one and getting that unanimous decision. So that's very good, and let's see where Reba Vicks goes, but honestly, I'm going to watch his fights Because they're fun.
Speaker 2:Somebody to look out for.
Speaker 1:Somebody to look out for for sure In the lightweight division. And then we have another lightweight fight after that With Matthias Rebeski versus Chris Duncan, also getting fight of the night on that. One Amazing fight, dude.
Speaker 2:What a back and forth. What was the standout about it? Well, besides the massive hematoma, that Rebeski got on his head.
Speaker 1:This is the hematoma Dude a nasty hematoma that if you want to go back and check it out yourself, you can. Matthias actually releasing a picture on social media recently showing the aftermath. Man, insane, dude, Oof. So these guys went to war A really measured fight by Chris Duncan giving him the unanimous decision. But Mateus put it all out there. I mean he couldn't really find the range as much.
Speaker 1:However, these guys did go at it and it was an absolute barn burner as well. Mateus in the cage does not look like a lightweight to me, he just looks massive dude.
Speaker 2:Just size wise. He's really good at the cutting.
Speaker 1:I guess he's really good at the cutting, but a great fight. If you want to go back and watch that one, I highly recommend it. And that main fight, the last one, tatsuro Tayara versus Hyung Sung Park, and that was a great fight for Tayara. I know Park took this fight on short notice. However, he ended up pretty much getting choked out.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, the submission round two 106.
Speaker 1:And he was very consistent about it. Tayaru was very consistent about trying to get that off, rocking him right at the start of the match with a nasty one-two. Actually, it wasn't a one-two, it was a double right hand.
Speaker 1:Really Hit him with a right hand, wobbled him and then hit him with that same right hand and knocked him down. Dang. It was just a great performance by Tayara, and Tayara is sincerely making a name for himself, and so that was an amazing fight that I really wanted to bring up, just because of those two fight of the nights that they got absolute bangers, you know yeah, it seems like a good night for fighting uh, which is very shocking for a apex card, a ufc apex card.
Speaker 1:They're usually not that great, but in this case some people were treated to a nice card in the Apex. And now we'll talk about the UFC 319 card. Duplicy vs Chimaev and they finally got their co-main event. But we'll start off with their prelims. Got Brian Battle in that one vs Ruseviov and let's see if he makes that weight cut this time. I know that he's been having some hard time making that weight cut. We have a nasty fight after that. It's Edson Barbosa versus Drakkar Klos.
Speaker 1:I think that's definitely one to watch all right and as I stated before we got chase the gooner hooper oh goodness on that one versus hernandez.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely not shaking hooper's hand in that one heck no strictly fist bumps and maybe not even that, just generally staying out of reach, I think I mean another banger after that one.
Speaker 1:It's a women's strawweight fight, uh, former champ jessica andrage versus lupi godinez. I think that one should be a very great fight and honestly I'm not sure who's gonna take that one, but uh, that we'll see about that one gerald mearshart versus Michael Oleksiychik, the new fighting nerd. Let's see what he's taken from it.
Speaker 2:Is he the newest or the second newest?
Speaker 1:He's a recent addition to the fighting nerds joining their camp after his loss to Shara Bullitt, if I'm not mistaken, just off memory. Okay yeah, getting a recent win, so I mean obviously the camp might be paying off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, he lost twice in a row, once to Holland and once to Shara. No, he lost, I just looked even farther. He lost to Pereira before that as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So off of a three-loss streak.
Speaker 1:Finally gets the win in the new camp.
Speaker 2:Jumps into the Fighting Nerds camp. First win, that's nice, and a round one win at that.
Speaker 1:So it's obviously paying off and let's see if it continues to pay off in this card. Also, in the prelims you got Bobby King Green versus Diego Pereira or King Green versus Diego Ferreira or King Green whatever you want to call him, just don't call him Slept.
Speaker 2:Why not? He got Slept by Pimble and Roofie.
Speaker 1:Good point. Maybe you should call him Slept, but let's see how it goes on this one he lost to them in round one, both of them in round one, yeah, and both finishes in different ways, so it's kind of funny he uh needs to redeem himself here, I think needs to redeem himself in this one. I'm certainly hoping so, but we'll see. And then we move on to that main card tim elliott versus kai osakura. I definitely am excited to see kai osakura uh finally making his second fight in the UFC.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that will be interesting because he did. I mean, yes, he was, he lost in his first bout and it was straight to Pantoja Right. But to be fair, in that fight with Pantoja he wasn't a pushover.
Speaker 1:No, definitely not.
Speaker 2:He did do good work. I mean, he clearly was not going to win, if you will.
Speaker 1:Pantoja's just too good man.
Speaker 2:Pantoja had it, it's just too good. But he was a really good fighter and he was showcasing a lot of his skill. So, I think he probably will get. He has a good chance at this. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1:I mean no excuses for Kai Asakura coming from another fight promotion, coming from a ring to a cage, so it's a little different. And then we got that. Like I said, last episode, battle of the Unks. You got Jared Kananir versus Venom Michael Page. Let's see if that's an absolute banger or not, but I definitely think it's going to be.
Speaker 2:That will definitely be interesting.
Speaker 1:And then we got another fighting nerd. On this card you got Carlos Prates versus Jeff Neal. Jeff Neal man, they're just feeding them to the dogs all the time. It's kind of crazy, uh. So they're probably trying to end them.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but let's see if what college protest does they just want to get him out of the rank, just want to get him out.
Speaker 1:And then we got this fight that I'm very excited about. They added it to the co-main event. Is larone murphy taking this fight on short notice versus the debuting Aaron Pico? Everyone's excited to see Aaron Pico. My only concern is I sincerely hope it's not a patchy mix scenario where they debut and just do nothing.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, when is Aaron Pico from?
Speaker 1:What fight promotion? It was Bellator, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2:All right. Was he really accomplished within that promotion, or what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did compete at a very high level. I mean, aaron Pico is an amazing young, young prospect. Which I think is what a lot of people are, uh, really excited about is his age and how he's got time to really get up there okay very exciting prospect and larone murphy is amazing what a great fighter he is. And uh, I mean he's a dog.
Speaker 2:Just for taking this fight on 3-4 week notice, that is a pretty short notice far from the shortest, far from the shortest, but I'm very excited to see one but anytime you get shorter it's usually kind of a given that the person who got cancelled on is going to win, because it's just not enough of a fight camp, really.
Speaker 1:Sure, there has been some major upsets.
Speaker 2:Oh, there certainly has been upsets. I'm just saying in general.
Speaker 1:I mean so we'll see how that one goes out. I mean Aaron Pico very excited to see him and his debut against the great Lerone Murphy.
Speaker 2:That is pretty awesome that he's getting a co-main event as his first intro.
Speaker 1:Yeah just goes on to show you the trust that they have on this gentleman. And also, I mean we were supposed to get Mosvar Evolev versus Aaron Pico. Obviously that one not panning out Evolev getting injured. I mean, I'm just very excited to see this one and I think it's going to be a banger, because larone murphy is a dog and very exciting in all his fights right and then we had that main fight of the night, duplicy versus hamzat chemayev that will be interesting.
Speaker 1:I think that this is going to be Chemaev. That will be interesting. I think that this is going to be one of the most interesting fights at middleweight in general. Let's see what Drikas does when he pulls out of his bag. Who knows?
Speaker 2:God, I really hope we're not drumming up all this overselling what it'll actually be, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, who knows? I mean that Shumayev does like to. Just come out there and just grab a leg and it's over.
Speaker 2:Just bull rush and finish it right, then and there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2:I really hope that's not it.
Speaker 1:I hope Duplassie can handle that I hope so too, and I think that kind of adds to the excitement, though. Right, yeah, because you really don't know how this fight's gonna go. Who knows, drickus could jump over the take the takedown. Spread his legs like van damme jump over the takedown. Who knows? However, what we do know is that we're gonna find out who is the real champion and where the division goes from.
Speaker 1:There should be very interesting to see absolutely and I want to pull out a segment on this one, harley is. A lot of comments on the internet and uh they've uh eloquently called it drrekus Wins Bye. And I'll read to you a couple of these comments Drekus Wins Bye. And we'll see which ones are your top three.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:The internet is undefeated, man, it's just crazy. Some of my favorites you got DDP by Hamzat, shaped Hole in the middle of the octagon. Ddp by banana peel that he pulls out of his shorts.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's a legal move.
Speaker 1:You got DDP by tying balloons to Hamzat. What the hell? Hamzat beats DDP on paper but DDP can't read DDP by accident.
Speaker 2:That's great.
Speaker 1:And this is probably one that he would agree with DDP by, whatever works.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That one's a lot more real than a lot of the others.
Speaker 1:DDP by falling piano Wow.
Speaker 2:Get some Looney Tunes.
Speaker 1:This one's one of my favorite DDP by Shenanigans and Tomfoolery. Oh, that one's good, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:That one's good.
Speaker 1:That's why you can't even prepare for DDP. Even he doesn't know what he's going to do. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha. Even he doesn't know what he's going to do. Dricus by Third Round Guillotine Not the choke, a real one. Wow, wow. Ddp by Rear Naked Choke. In parentheses, he will actually be naked when he chokes Hamzat out.
Speaker 2:No, no, we do not need that visual.
Speaker 1:Hamzat tries to hit Drikus but Drikus goes down to pick up a dollar and he hits himself and knocks himself out.
Speaker 2:That one kind of falls flat.
Speaker 1:DDP by comically large and loud bundle of TNT.
Speaker 2:Wow, ddp by spinach can boost oh, that would be performance enhancing drugs right there and then I'll just share with you this one right here that I really liked.
Speaker 1:Just a picture, and this is what it says Hums up fans with needy people's on a cartoon hammer mid-fight.
Speaker 2:It's just a dog, with its eyes closed looking into the sunset.
Speaker 1:So obviously everybody knows that DDP has the two in force. So which one is your top three for those?
Speaker 2:Oh goodness, I'd have to say first and foremost would probably be the ddp by whatever works real, real, the uh, by shenanigans and tomfoolery. Yes, sir, and yeah, hamza beats ddp on paper, but ddp can't read. I think that one's eloquent. I think that one's, that one's funny. I don't know. I mean it's not the best for DDP, but it's still funny and there's just so many of them.
Speaker 1:Honestly, if you just look up, uh, you drink his wins by on social media. It's just hilarious what people have come up by yeah I love all the ddp memes. Honestly, they're all great.
Speaker 2:Honestly, it's great for him great for him.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm sure he doesn't mind, I don't know I mean it's it's good publicity for him oh yeah, for sure and it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not terrible publicity like mregor's getting right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. I definitely don't want to look up any McGregor pictures right now.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:And you shouldn't either listener. And now we're going to go ahead and get to those random Reddit stories.
Speaker 2:All right, my first Reddit post will be from the AskReddit subreddit and it's what's a single sentence. Someone said that stuck with you forever. This one's going to be kind of rapid fire, because otherwise we could spend the entire episode just talking about some of these. By CatMagic1977. He's not there. My husband said this to me gently when I couldn't leave my father's casket. I will always remember that he's not there. He's in my heart and will be forever that one's deep, very sweet it's. It's real, though it's real. Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 2:They're not there anymore when they're on display like that, it's not them anyway, moving on by where we make our stand no, you don't understand. I was a pre-med college student and volunteering at a hospital. A chronically ill patient was telling me about their pain and reflexively I said I understand. He said no, you really don't. That stuck with me and I've never said it again in all ten years I've been in medicine. Now I say I really can't understand, but I want to help as best I can.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that one way better. Yeah, mainly because I feel like that is a saying that is used a lot or too often way too often as I understand they.
Speaker 1:They understand the concept they don't understand the reality of living with exactly, and this just goes, this kind of goes beyond what I'm what the post is about, which is like pain and stuff like that. I mean for daily life, for issues, for um, all kinds of different things. People just say like I understand, when they really have never been in that situation absolutely or don't have the sense of understanding that they really should.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they don't mean it, you know yeah, there is a really pertinent comment that goes hand in hand with that and what you're saying by sponge14. An old friend of mine is a doctor. Guy is absolutely a paragon of health. Looks like a men's fitness model. Meanwhile I've struggled with my health the past 15 years or so Cancer and an autoimmune condition. I always found him to be a normal, supportive friend, but we lost touch a few years ago. We recently reconnected. It turns out he moved into a building across from me of all things. We're getting coffee and he tells me somewhat sheepishly that we that he was recently diagnosed with crohn's. I've had a lot of experience with chronic illness and I asked him about it and talked through his feelings.
Speaker 2:He came very close to apologizing to me. I could not ever imagine he needed to, but when he said, when you were going through all that stuff, I don't think I ever really understood what it meant to be chronically sick. It meant a lot to me.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, I mean very poignant yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, it kind of hits the nail on the head, unless the doctor's actually gone through a chronic illness. They don't know Right. They understand the concept and they might understand some ways to mitigate, just because they've seen it a lot, but it doesn't mean they actually understand. And that goes for other things too.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Yeah, you might understand the idea of what they're dealing with.
Speaker 2:But you don't really understand what it means to go through it, so it's just a really good idea to have in your back pocket to think about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in my opinion, I think that's very great to think about and carry with you in your daily life, for sure.
Speaker 2:Another one by. Are we in the clear? Yet? When my dad was diagnosed with a terminal illness, everyone just kept saying everything would be okay. I had a customer at the time say with an online sale when we were chatting tough days ahead. It was so simple, but he was the only person who was honest with me. Everyone else was lying slash, trying to protect my feelings.
Speaker 1:That's very great. I mean just to have that sense of reality that you know maybe things won't be okay, at least for right now, you know. But everybody always says like I understand, it's okay, you know.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Those are just the basic tropes that people tend to kind of say, you know.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, another one hand in hand with that, corroborating it, if you will, by super bozo. My dad just died of stage four pancreatic cancer. He used to always say it'll be all right. Well, it wasn't all right. Like you said, it was tough times ahead. However, he also used to say life goes on. He wasn't wrong, life got really hard, but it kept moving. It always keeps moving always keeps moving.
Speaker 1:Something that I I always mention is that life does go on.
Speaker 2:For everyone they knew.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:The earth doesn't stop turning, doesn't stop existing, just because they cut themselves out of the loop. If you will Sure, if you will sure, and unfortunately, when you do do that, you leave behind a lot of people who are hurt and heartbroken and then have an even tougher time going through their life because you're gone absolutely, and uh, that just kind of goes for kind of advice for people that dwell on things harshly and just dwell on the moment.
Speaker 1:That this is forever. You know, but this is not forever, this is just something that's right now because, as you stated, the world keeps turning, life keeps moving and you just have to move forward. Yeah, it's a, it's a necessary thing. That you have to do is move forward.
Speaker 2:Yep, another one, not quite so deep, by Mopper300. When I was learning how to drive some 35 years ago, an adult friend told me the most important thing was to always expect someone else to do something stupid. True to this day, and I never forget it. Forgot it, sorry, that's. That's kind of my view with driving expect, expect everyone else to do something stupid at any given moment and you, can you can.
Speaker 2:You can think it's stupid, but they're still doing it and oftentimes they think they're doing it for a good reason. But the fact that they're doing it doesn't mean it's not stupid, and the fact that they're doing it doesn't mean you get to just not pay attention.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean something happened to me very recently where it was like expect the unexpected, expect them to do something stupid yeah because I I'm always like that. I'm always kind of like a defensive kind of driver. I've driven small cars, I've driven big trucks, I've driven near commercial trucks, I've driven motorcycles, so I kind of have the view of all sorts of vehicles on the road yeah and I always feel like damn, what is this person gonna do?
Speaker 1:perfect example was recently. I slowed down because a guy was going fast to a stop sign and he I just knew that he was not gonna stop for this right, just knew he blew the stop sign, got in front of me and proceeded to stop at a green light oh wow, oh wow and I was behind him the whole time. Yeah, stop ran. The stop sign stops at the green light. I had to honk he finally moves, and I was just in awe yep what is this person on dude?
Speaker 2:that uh, yeah, there's. There's so many anecdotal stories about yeah stupid drivers.
Speaker 1:This was kind of a funny story because nothing crazy happened however, I want people to dangerous nothing truly dangerous, however I do want people to take with them that don't trust the other driver. No trust, I mean. Sometimes you can't even trust yourself, but don't trust the other driver especially.
Speaker 2:Just be careful on the road yeah, all right, just a few more that are funny. Uh, by agile ad 1665, and for god's don't pay for it. This was said by my father concluding the sex talk.
Speaker 1:Birds and the bees.
Speaker 2:I mean that's pretty decent advice. Don't pay for it, it's not worth it. By Fairy Fire, my mom said never cook bacon in the nude. It seems sexy but it's not worth it.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:And I mean, I could go on forever. This could be the entire episode, but let's leave it at that and move on to what you have.
Speaker 1:I do have one sentence that I did read recently that has stuck with me. It's stuck with me every day. So far, it's never argue with an idiot. The people watching can't tell who's who that's very true. That is uh, just that was a great one that I read recently oh uh, I, I lied, there is one more oh, let's hear it.
Speaker 2:I forgot. I forgot about this one when I started into it by anteater existing 5918. This one's really really deep, so sorry if it hurts when someone close passed away. Instead of the usual bullshit like they are in a better place now, someone said they are worth every single tear uh, I like that one, wow, but that's that's deep, that's good, that's good yeah that's really good it's, I mean, it encompasses so much. There's so much the philosophy that could be put into that statement yeah so it's.
Speaker 2:It's just something you know to think about. I feel like I'm guilty of that too, though like what do you mean guilty?
Speaker 1:saying um, they're in a better place that's the one thing that I have said that, that I kind of over time have. I don't think it's a good thing to say it's's an overused social platitude?
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, I mean. They are platitudes for a reason because some people are not close enough to you for you to feel comfortable to be so blatantly honest with them to that level, if you will yes. But it's deep.
Speaker 1:And I think it's something that people need to hear at times, because the inner better place really doesn't bring anything to the table.
Speaker 2:No, it's a meaningless platitude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so, moving on to our grab bag Reddit, I have an. Am I the Asshole?
Speaker 2:Oh boy.
Speaker 1:And it's by throw raw underscore fae. Am I the asshole for? Suggesting to my husband that we put his mother in a home sticky and this one has a verdict. I, 45 female, and my husband, 56 male, are going through a rough patch. His mother, 78 female, has health issues and have been getting worse, and the doctor has recommended she receive full-time care.
Speaker 1:Previously she lived alone, but nurses would come every other day to check on her. My husband thinks the best course of action is moving her into our home. Now that's sticky. My issue is that I do not want my mother-in-law living with us. She's always been very rude to me and my daughter, who is 11 female.
Speaker 1:She was originally against me marrying my husband because we come from two different faiths. Okay, she's a very traditional woman who believes in rigid gender roles for women. She's attempted to push this belief on my daughter by making comments about what my daughter wears and does. She's made comments to my daughter like wear leggings with your dress or else you make God upset. And when God's upset he sends people to bad places. This has made my daughter feel very ashamed and paranoid. She has also expressed disdain, for when my daughter said she wanted to become a veterinarian, my mother-in-law said a proper lady should not work outside the home. Focus on raising a family In parentheses. She also hates me because I work and is very against this. She does not hold the same sentiment towards my son, eight male.
Speaker 1:She shows clear favoritism towards my son while constantly criticizing everything my daughter does. While my husband typically defends me in front of his mom, he is adamant we move her into the house. His reasoning is that she's too sick to take care of herself and his only other brother is ill-fit to take care of her. He's in rehab in parentheses. I suggested then put her in a retirement home, which made him incredibly angry. He says that at the end of the day, that is his mother and he has a duty towards her. He promised that if she moves in, he will talk to her about her attitude towards me and our daughter. However, I don't want to raise my kids anywhere near her. She has been shaming my daughter and I barely get along with her.
Speaker 1:Last night out of anger. My husband said you can move out of the house, but I'm not moving my mother into a retirement home. Am I the asshole for suggesting my mother-in-law be sent to a home? Am I the asshole for suggesting my mother-in-law be sent to a home? Edit, since people are asking, we will continue to have nurse check-in on my mother-in-law. My husband wants her to have her move in and switch nurse visits from every other day to every day. Honestly, this is a very sticky situation for sure.
Speaker 2:That's the end.
Speaker 1:That's the end there are a very sticky situation, for sure. That's the end. That's the end. There are a couple nice comments, though you know what.
Speaker 2:Go ahead and read those comments, then I'll put my two cents in.
Speaker 1:By Pixie Ann, not the asshole. Tell your husband to move in with his mother and he can provide all the care she needs. You will continue to bring up your two children. Don't move out. Don't let that nasty old woman move in. By paul, uh, cursey, uh, he says. Last night out of anger, my husband said you move out of the house, I'm not moving my mother to retirement home. And he goes on to say I mean that should tell you everything you need to know right there. This is a one no two, yes, type situation, not the asshole.
Speaker 1:Another one by Please Coffee Me. Ask him who's going to take care of your mother. Help her go to the bathroom, give her a bath, be around during the day in case she needs something. I work full time. We have two young children who need our attention. Hate saying it out loud, but Hubs totally plans on dumping the full-time caregiver role on you. Then suggest if you're adamant about caring for your mother, give it a trial run. You move into her house and you see if you can handle it. The two of you can sit down with the doctor and find out what she will need for the care and the work involved. At the end of the day, you might need to call his bluff and start looking for a home, or if both of you are on the mortgage. Indeed, talk to a good lawyer, not the asshole.
Speaker 2:All right, so I will go ahead and preface this by saying my overall take is not the asshole. There's several, several things to go into on this, of course, and I'd have to say the first one I want to tackle would be if the husband was capable and willing to actually defend his own family to his mom, he would have done so by now. Good point he wouldn't be waiting until she's about to move in and she's already on death's door. This isn't to say that he can't have a change of heart, but it has not been a priority for so long. It's unlikely for it to become one. But it has not been a priority for so long it's unlikely for it to become one. Secondly, taking someone into your home for full-time care is incredibly stressful.
Speaker 1:Very.
Speaker 2:Even if you get along with them very well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even then, very even, if you get along with them very well, yeah, even because they need constant attention and help. That is going to take away from the rest of your life. It's going to. This isn't to say that family isn't worth it. This isn't to say that it is not the right call for many people, but for a situation like this where there's already bad blood. Both mom and dad are full-time workers. This is not the situation in which you bring in someone who's going to need full-time care. It's honestly not fair to anyone. It's not okay to do that to the person you're moving in. It's not okay to do that to your children, right? If most of your energy is going towards work and maintaining the house, where are you going to find the energy to take care of this other person? Yes, it can be divvied up, but given the history of not actually giving a shit about the interpersonal relations with his mom and children and wife it's pretty indicative that the lion's share of the work is going to go to her.
Speaker 1:Yes, that sounds very difficult, very difficult scenario indeed. I will add that my take is also not the a-hole. I just feel this is more like a situational kind of thing absolutely in the sense that this, if she did move in, would put a significant strain on their relationship, maybe even a significant strain on the relationship with the children as well, and it might be something that's a little too much to deal with and too much to ask for from a partner, I think.
Speaker 2:In general, I mean, it's just not okay to demand that of people, particularly when there's been years of animosity, if you will. Mm-hmm, there's just it's not okay. It's not okay to demand that of people no when someone's being abusive, and that is abuse, that is emotional abuse.
Speaker 1:I mean, they do say that we sacrifice for the ones we love, but I think that this is something very large and daunting to ask someone of.
Speaker 2:You can sacrifice for the ones you love, but you should not be sacrificing the ones you love for the ones you love.
Speaker 1:Very poignant.
Speaker 2:They would be sacrificing the well-being of at least their daughter. In this scenario, he would be sacrificing his wife's well-being and his daughter's well-being. Even if everything else worked out perfectly and it was okay for his son and it was okay for him, he would be still sacrificing the well-being of his daughter and his wife.
Speaker 1:Great point. Yeah, absolutely and frankly.
Speaker 2:I think he would be sacrificing the well-being of his mother, Because if she's holding that much animosity and just nastiness, if you will that she's not gonna be a happy camper.
Speaker 1:She's just not. No one is gonna be.
Speaker 2:She's gonna be on edge the whole time because she's just so upset about the poster and the daughter and the like. I just don't see it. I can't see a likely outcome where this would turn out well.
Speaker 1:I don't see that either. And a verdict for the people, not the a-hole.
Speaker 2:Well that one wasn't forehead slappingly obvious or anything. All right. This true off my chest story is from careful underscore hurry 9970. My daughter, six, asked me if I loved her more than my phone, and I've never felt more ashamed Oof. I, 27 female, was scrolling TikTok the other night while my daughter was coloring beside me. I wasn't really watching, just zoning out after a long shift. She suddenly said mommy, do you love your phone more than me? I laughed at first, thinking she was joking. She wasn't. She said because when I talk you don't look at me.
Speaker 2:You always look at your phone. That shattered me. She wasn't mad, she wasn't whining, just stating a fact. I asked her to repeat herself and she shrugged and said it's okay, I know you're tired, I just miss you sometimes. I couldn't even say anything. I put my phone away and we played a game, but I still cried in the bathroom after she went to sleep. I don't know who I'm turning into, but I don't like her. I don't want to be the kind of mom who's present but never really there. Wow, that one hurts. That does hurt.
Speaker 1:That cuts deep, but it is very good to show that life passes you by, especially when you're not paying attention.
Speaker 2:It passes you by in the little moments. In the little moments, it's not just the big moments, it's not just the big moments.
Speaker 1:It's the playing games with your kid, it's the talking to them, it's being an influence to them.
Speaker 2:A lot of things that you can.
Speaker 1:Just being present. A lot of things that you can miss if you're not present, and in the moment, yep, that If you're not present and in the moment, yep, that's something that I really aspire to be is just present in general, because I don't think this kind of just stays at this part of the story where it's about a kid, oh no no, this is about life.
Speaker 2:It's indicative of modern life.
Speaker 1:A lot of things. Modern life in general is just so ingrained on people being on their phone. Yeah, in general is just so ingrained on people being on their phone. Yeah, and they don't tend to, you know, be present in all the moments of life very true.
Speaker 2:I mean, even if you pause to think about it, most people don't even have a gathering without the TV on and or music playing, some sort of attention getter, so that you don't have to constantly quote, unquote, entertain, and that it can work, don't get me wrong, especially like if it's just music or something like that and that's that. That can be the whole point of a get-together. Don't get me wrong, I'm not. I'm not trying to say that's not okay or anything. What I am saying is that I think it is important to occasionally have times where the goal is literally just to spend time doing nothing but sitting there and talking or, you know, doing small, meaningless or mean, even meaningful tasks.
Speaker 2:Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you can't do anything that's worthwhile doing. But you know, even like just standing around and talking while you're chopping vegetables for dinner, that that can be a bonding moment, and it doesn't have to be only a bonding moment with your family, it can be a bonding moment with your friends. It has been for me. I mean, just the other day I had a friend over and we didn't pull out our phones, we didn't have a TV going, we didn't have music playing. The goal of it was just to catch up and just to be present with each other. I mean, it's not like we said that our goal here is to be present. Our goal here is to not turn on our phones.
Speaker 2:Right, that wasn't a stated objective and goal. It was simply what we did. We did pull our phones out occasionally, simply to like once or twice, to add something to a calendar or to show a picture of a project that was recently done you know that sort of thing or to see the kids, or whatnot.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:But the phones were very much not central to the get-together. Yeah, and this has been stated by many people, oh yeah, Absolutely. In fact, it's a huge component with podcasts in fact, where people just sit down and have a conversation, and have a conversation Primarily, or I shouldn't say primarily, but a big beginner to that, of course, was Joe Rogan, where he has a really long format, you know hour and a half two hour sometimes three hour conversations with people and they're just sitting across the table talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no phones, which is great.
Speaker 2:I mean they have Jamie and they pull things up on the screen to to research or corroborate or just to look at charts or what have you. But I think it's. It's not something that's common place in today's society and I believe it needs to be. We need to come back and be present with each other.
Speaker 1:Be present in life.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's hard to form a real connection if all you're doing is getting distracted during the quote-unquote bonding moments.
Speaker 1:And I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 1:Sorry, that was a long tangent, my takeaway is just, in general, is that life passes you by. It passes by very quickly and in this case, going back to the story, is what this mother wants to be remembered, you know, in her daughter's childhood. Does she want to be remembered for being on her phone all the time and ignoring her kid, or does she want to be present and very formative for her kid? You know, it's just you. What kind of parent do you want to be in this case? And I'm glad that right away, the introspective is that I want to be more present.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. That's really good to read is how impacted this mother was and hopefully from now on I mean, it's a growth period, don't get me wrong it's difficult to immediately no longer do anything of the sort.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:However, to have that on your radar is very important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in my book I think that was an important stepping stone for their relationship, for sure.
Speaker 2:Now just one comment I want to throw out there. It's pretty much right in line with what we were saying, but said a little differently, and so it might help some listeners. By the final filter, sometimes we do not realize how much time we spend doing something until someone points it out. I know that is how it has been for me in the past. The important part is that you realize which is it sounds like you already have done and commit to spending more time with her without your phone.
Speaker 1:Very important.
Speaker 2:And sorry, one more thing. It's part of the same comment their response to that comment by liloka. Please don't forget that phones and apps are designed and know the psychology of getting you hooked and to just keep going one more, one more. It's difficult to say that it's simply a choice we make.
Speaker 2:I say this as a software designer so he knows yeah, that it is literally what a lot of them are designed to do is to capture your attention and keep it oh yeah, and they're very good at it's how they make their money it's how they make their money and there's lots to say on that account and everything, but that's something we, as the consumers, have to be aware of.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Is that almost everything you consume, media-wise especially, is designed to capture your attention to keep your attention and oftentimes, if not most of the time, for you to buy whatever it is they're selling.
Speaker 1:Exactly, that's like modern life in a whole right. Yes, and so, harley, my last story here I have to have a trigger warning. Oh, oh, and this one was posted 19 days ago, oh boy. It's my bra-719-300.
Speaker 2:I was not prepared for that delivery.
Speaker 1:Delivered it hot and ready. Homie, yeah, it starts. Boyfriend confessed something disturbing and I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 1:It has a content warning.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 1:Hi, I'm 17 female, oh no, and my boyfriend is 19 male.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 1:I started the relationship because I liked him a lot. He was always kind to me and made me feel safe. I still love him and that's what makes this very hard. When we first talked he said he hated kids, Cats and anything. Quote unquote cute. He also stated he gets jealous very fast. I didn't think it was a big deal at the time, but later he told me something that I cannot stop thinking about.
Speaker 2:This isn't like the cat one, is it?
Speaker 1:He said he doesn't feel empathy or sadness Red flag and he said that he sometimes feels urges to kill or grape.
Speaker 2:Oh God, why does this have to be the last one?
Speaker 1:He told me when he gets these urges he feels pain in the front side of his head and in his heart, Like holding it in physically hurts him. He told me he won't do anything to humans because it's a big sin in his religion. He also said he won't kill animals, but then he said he still wants to kill a cat and that part really shocked me. I asked him if he'd go to therapy and he said he can't because of money and family problems. Also, he doesn't want to change. He said he doesn't because of money and family problems. Also he doesn't want to change. He said he doesn't want to end up in jail or in a mental hospital or go to hell.
Speaker 1:He never hurt me and he's always sweet with me, but this whole thing scares me a bit. I don't know what to think anymore. I love him so much. I don't want to leave him, but I'm scared to. What can I do? We've been together for six months and he only started talking about these dark urges a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, oh my god. First off, I have to start with and I wish this was directly to her you are young. You are or not, you are. You have been in this relationship for less than a year, six months, give or take, a few weeks. You do not love this person. You can't. You are infatuated. With this person, love is developed, love is grown, and with a person like this, actual love, not infatuation, is wildly unlikely. If they can't understand empathy, if they're wanting to do these things, they are deeply psychologically impaired, whether that impairment is something innate to their biology or due to childhood trauma. There are many reasons why it can be that way, but the real love is not there. I wish I could say that to her.
Speaker 1:This is a crazy red flag man. It's crazy, I had to look up what's the reddest red? What's the reddest color for red, because this is the deepest red flag I've ever heard.
Speaker 2:Crimson is the most commonly cited.
Speaker 1:Ah, this is crimson. Then One of the comments that was very pointed to me was by After Gay Laughter hey, that kind of rhymes.
Speaker 1:That's definitely not the point they said. Adding on OP if it's against my religion is his only reason for not killing or aping a human. When his urges are that strong, he will eventually cave to those urges. Take it from somewhere. Who used to be Christian? My sinful urges were much more normal human things like sex drive, never anything violent or extreme like that. Even so, because the Bible said no was never enough, the morals I had then that I kept were ones rooted in something other than religion, like I'm still obviously against violence because of morals, but the morals I held solely because of religion did not hold.
Speaker 1:People who don't commit violence don't do it because we have actual, firmly held convictions against it and find it repensable. We don't sustain solely because God said no or because we fear hell. We don't do it because it's wrong and unthinkable to us. Do not play around with someone who that doesn't apply to. Do not play around with someone who that doesn't apply to, even if I'm wrong, and he never does anything violent. No partner is worth risking being there if and when that prophecy comes true.
Speaker 1:You do not want to be the person he has access to if he gives in to those urges. You don't want to live in a life wondering in the back of your mind if he's going to hurt you every time he's mad at you, even if it never actually happens. Please, please, run like hell from this man and confide in trusted adults so they can help protect you. If your parents aren't those adults for you, even a teacher at school or a friend's parent or even an extended relative is better than no one. And if you do break up with him, do it in public or at least with safe people present who can physically protect you if necessary. Do not be alone with him during or any time after the breakup. Do not risk being the punching bag when he feels angry, hurt or embarrassed. Wishing you the best op.
Speaker 1:This is terrifying for anyone to experience, least of all as a teenager. I really hope nothing serious happens. And then another uh short comment after that, by boxing coffee, says I met a sweet man and I married him. I am now pretty sure that he poisoned my cat and maybe had a hand in killing my dog. I won't go into it what he did to me, but when I left he cried and admitted that he had done some of the worst things that you can do to a human. To me, feeling safe around someone doesn't mean that you're safe around them. You can't stop thinking of what he told you because you know that this isn't okay. Run away and don't look back.
Speaker 2:Very, very to the point. There are I'm not going to say uncountable, but there's far more than I'm aware of of true crime stories that start almost identically to this. There's just so many, so, so, so, so many. This is not a situation where you stick it out and try to fix them. You, as a 17-year-old, are not equipped to fix someone in this scenario.
Speaker 1:This is crazy.
Speaker 2:To circle back to the whole religion side of things to the whole religion side of things, I can't fully agree that religion can't hold somebody's feelings like that in check. Sure, I think they can, I don't know. I think that for some people, fear is legitimately a strong enough deterrent. Strong enough deterrent. Whether it's a fear for your soul, whether it's a fear for your everlasting torture if you do something, if it's a fear that you will lose your grace, if you will, whatever religion this person ascribes to it, can be a truly restricting emotion fear, but like the poster that commenter was saying it's, it's not perfect no and unless your convictions on those things are absolutely rock solid and continually upheld, it doesn't take much for them to start slipping, especially if you're going so far as to say you're in physical pain when you're restricting these things.
Speaker 1:That's scary.
Speaker 2:I mean, I personally find that very difficult to believe. It's disturbing To me it just sounds like edgy bullshit that a teenager and he is still technically a teenager at 19.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It just sounds like edgy teenager bullshit. They just want to be an ed lord, if you will. They want to be just so, so crazy, so cool because they can barely restrain their rage. Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:It's they see red. Yeah, I've heard that yeah times recently. I see red that nonsense yeah, red flag.
Speaker 2:I mean if, if the person is ascribing to that life philosophy, if you will, it is rather unlikely that religion will restrain them in the future. This is honestly not even therapy. This is institutional, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Possibly.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying they need to live the rest of their life in an institution. What I am saying is they need to spend several months at bare minimum, just absolutely bare minimum in an institution because they need effectively a detox from their current world view and to have their mental well-being carefully scrutinized and addressed In a full-time manner. This isn't something that you go to therapy once a month for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is something way deeper. In my opinion, I actually agree with that and I hope that the OP I hope that OP doesn't subscribe to the notion that she can fix this person, yeah, and I hope that she really pushes for him to seek mental health, uh, mental help, because, yeah, this is something that's very disturbing and something that someone needs to look out for and just like that one commenter said about the no or making sure you, if you do break up, to do it in a public setting yes, exactly and to never be alone with them again.
Speaker 2:Right, Because again there are way too many true crime stories that start with the breakup, and then they get talked into meeting them one more time, and that's when they die.
Speaker 1:This definitely sounds like a true crime story. The makings of a true crime story.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately.
Speaker 1:Which I definitely hope op tries to avoid. I know they're very young, I mean 17.
Speaker 2:Your worldview is only so much and, despite what I said earlier, I know she feels and thinks she's in love. Of course, right, she really does and who knows.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't think that really, whether she loves him or not, I think this is something that is a detriment to her safety and, like the commenters are saying, maybe it is something to mention to an adult.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Someone that she knows.
Speaker 2:Who knows? And here's another aspect Even if she does love him, even if she does love him, she needs to love him enough to step back and ensure he gets the help he needs Needs. This isn't optional At this point, as it's been presented to us, it's a necessity. It's not something that you just let skate by and hope for the best you know.
Speaker 1:In my opinion, I sincerely agree with that and I do hope that uh op gets the help that they need. Uh, just to avoid a crazy scenario. I mean, I don't know, this was posted very recently, so who knows what decision OP had and I think we'll go ahead and end the episode there. Harley, I really hope that OP keeps those gloves up, cause they're going to need it.
Speaker 2:Literally and figuratively.
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